I want to setup a site where it is entered by users without any login whatsoever. They look at the home page as they wish and only if they enter certain (but not all) pages that would be linked off this home page, would they have to login. I've read about guest access but they still get a login page appearing that they have to click through the guest account. Definitely do not want this login page appearing. Off this home page, I would want a login link for returning members or admins etc. Is there a strategy in phprunner to do this??? Or ought I be doing a plain hand coded (or whatever) home page as I want it (outside of phprunner) and it has links to one or more sub web apps built by phprunner? It seems that with phprunner (I'm still on 4.2 - will get to 5.0 very soon) that you have a concept of "generate a login environment" or not. Seems I want both. One or more public pages without any kind of login required and then when they drill into places, they might be able to do some phprunner apps stuff that is also public or others that would require a sign up process (ie login). Thanks in advance for your suggestion/advice! Oh - when is phpr 5.x next version -- the one I saw with the sample "Time" entry stuff coming???