If the default for user group permissions in 5.2 is like 4.0, then any users can login but the permissions controls what links can be seen. The old version had the default as an option. In 5.2 the default is there first and cannot be removed. I have some custom links added to the menu page that I don't want certain permissions to see. Since it appears that I cannot set permissions for custom links, I want to remove the default permissions so that only the designated permissions can even login. Thanks for your help.